I think it was Cash that was debating with be about Apple

[na85]

My stance was that I hate Apple because they pull the same kinds of anti-trust bullshit that everyone loves to lambast microsoft for, except apple gets away with it because they're apple.

Cast in point: http://slashdot.org/submission/1105620/Apple-says-booting-OS-X-makes-an-unauthorized-copy?art_pos=2

[cash]

Their license does not allow running on anything but Apple hardware.
Please explain to me how that is an anti-trust issue?

What I said the other night was Apple supports the open source community with CUPS, Apache, darwin, grand central  and many other projects. 
This is in stark contrast to Microsoft which fights against open source while stating they are supporting it publicly.
Microsoft is an evil company heres why:

•They tried their best to kill opengl, at first they supported it( 95 & NT ), then turned against it once they developed directx.   Windows XP & Vista only had a software emulator for opengl instead of supporting the hardware optimization in all graphics cards.  PC venders included it in new machines but up-graders were left with terrible opengl performance unless they downloaded the driver from graphics venders.  Their move against opengl was to protect the directx gaming thats only found on Windows.  Most all games now use directx so mostly they won that battle.
•They tried and failed to kill mp3, it was high on their list for a few years but it didn't work out.
•They got caught stealing video code from Apple, lost a court battle and had to remove it and pay.
•They financed a company from Toronto to go after Linux, it didn't work out as they planned.
•IE doesn't follow the WC3's standards for HTML, try the Acid tests it's a joke.  The complex sites have several lines of code that reads if IE then ...  They are arrogant to reporters asking about why they don't support the HTML standards because they think they are the standard! 
They tried to take java and control it having a Microsoft Java, they lost that one to Sun and had to kill the project.
There are many many more examples of Microsoft's evil ways.  I've been around computers longer than Microsoft has existed and I could write much more about it and I do have references in case you need them or you can search for yourself. 
The thing that bugs me most is how they are petty thieves stealing from Lotus, IBM, WordPerfect, Apple, Sun, Digital Research and most all technology companies.  The lowest thing is to steal ideas from open source and call it their own then try to convince big business customers that open source is using their technology to create fear.

 
 

[na85]

Oh, I'm no microsoft fanboy by any means.  I run windows as a necessity because it's rare for people to write games that natively support linux.  Some goes for some engineering software suites I use.

I'm not saying microsoft is good, I'm just saying IMO apple is bad.

[AL]

Apple is not evil.  Apple good.  Yummy Apple.  


from the original court documents that were summarized incorrectly by the post you referred to, nate:

"Psystar purchases computer components from third parties and assembles them. (Psystar Br. at 9.) Psystar then loads onto those computers Apple's Mac OS X software, which Psystar modifies with its "own software" to "add features ... to get OS X Leopard to work on a wider range of computers than simply Apple Macintoshes." (Id. at 9, 11.)"


IMO Psystar has been openly asking for trouble ever since they started trying to sell Hackintoshes.   Of course theres extensive documentation (for example: http://osx86.sojugarden.com/) on installing OSX on PC's- its been entirely possible ever since OSX became Intel-compatible.  However, the hackers posting the how-tos probably never expected someone to take their kernel hacks and try to openly retail OSX  on their home-built hackintoshes.   It's like, "no one could be that stupid... right?"  Go look at Psystars' website, and see what you think their intentions are.

Oh come on.  Any company has the right and duty to defend itself from blatant, stupid (see above) piracy.    And after reading Psystar's idiotic response to the above, my sympathy is entirely with Apple.

[na85]

I personally don't see the problem with someone who buys OSX and installs it on an IBM clone (since macs are also PCs).

[cash]

If Apple sold a retail version like Microsoft does it would be expensive I bet.
The only OSX available today is an upgrade version, Snow Leopard $29 (or $49 for up to 5 computers) from Leopard and $169 from Tiger.
Truth is Apple trusts it's users to be honest as the $29 version will upgrade Tiger and can be used on multiple macs and no one would know.
Compare that with Microsoft's activation BS.
Apple doesn't use any kind of copy protection or activation because the thinking is that all installations of OSX are upgrades.
Apple is a hardware company that includes an OS with their computer.
I think its wrong to apply Microsoft's business model (software vender) on Apple.
Could you argue that people should be able to take the Palm Pre os and put it on an non-Palm phone and have Palm be happy about it?
You could just grab the next update off from Palms site hack it then install it on your phone, no problem right?
Should HTC be able to make a phone like Blackberry's and hack the Blackberry os to have it work their phone without Blackberry complaining?
Don't argue that it's different from the PC/OSX hack because it's not really different.
Microsoft sells software, their model is to sell it to anyone, Apple sells hardware including an OS.

[AL]

a decent distinction, cash:  I think you have more ability to judge than most - like me, you use mac, linux and windows:  but unlike me, you can afford the latest hardware.

[miw]

just set that date to 1984 and you'll be fine with your stuff AL